After listening to the Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio, what are you thinking about the The Odyssey?
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what are you thinking about the The Odyssey? Please specify your thoughts using a dynamic topic sentence and supporting evidence.
I like the Odyssey but it is very hard to understand. it tells us about Odysseus journey throughout time and him getting back to his wife which is amazing that he has survived trough the whole thing by himself. How can the civilians understand what i have been going trough. he decides they cant understand what he has been trough which is cool because we don't know what he went trough but this book tells us.He has to tell his tales and build relationship.
After listening to these two people talk about The Odyssey, I am thinking about how The Odyssey relates to veterans today. Usually when veterans get home, they come back with a mental illness like PTSD, anxiety, or terrors. They also wonder how people will be able to understand what they went through, and continue to remember everyday. This relates to The Odyssey because I predict that at the end of the story, even though Odysseus like to appear confident, he will come home and be fearful of what he experienced, much like our veterans. It also relates through both the veterans and Odysseus both losing people throughout the adventure or battle.
I think that that's very interesting that the war veterans find Odyssey so interesting and that it actually makes them recover from their PTSD. I understand how Odyssey could help the vets because hearing about a hero defeating cyclopses and listening to someone exploring societies would get me enticed and help me feel better. Another good thing about Odyssey is that(so far) there hasn't been any talk about gun or weapons besides swords and stuff that the vets didn't use, which makes it a safe text for the veterans to read.
Jonathan Shay first started reading The Iliad and The Odyssey after he suffered from a stroke. Because it helped calm him, he began reading these books to Vietnam veterans. These veterans felt comforted by the tales of betrayal and Odysseus' adventures and struggles. In Book 8 of The Odyssey, Odysseus weeps at the songs and tales the poet is saying. All of the friends and hard times Odysseus has seen has made him sensitive and easy to freak out.
As I have been listening to the audio, it reminds me of the odyssey and how big of a leader odyesses has to be throughout his journey. Not only that he has to make wise decisions but he needs to keep everyone a unit and together in the journey. His job is to make sure everyone comes back home.
It shows me help how it could be connected to veterans. The ways that it connects to the veterans in a way that speaks to them in reality and fantasy which really speaks to them. The way that he went through the book shows different ways of going through things. Odysseus wants to show other people what he went through. He didn’t think that people who haven’t been through. That is why it helps veterans because they have been through more things that many of have not been through. We don't always listen which frustrates people. The connection is the same between the story and real life in the way that it’s told which is why it connects so easily.
While the true heroism of Odysseus is sometimes not apparent, it's evident he's brave and takes on nearly impossible tasks, revealing how he appeals to ordinary people. The veterans Jonathon Shay speaks to connect with Odysseus in a certain way I assume based on his bravery. Some of his actions aren't justifiable but he accomplishes things many are afraid to attempt. These tales distract the veterans from their terrifying experiences and engage them in something new.
I think that the psychiatrist, Johnathan Shay, talks about the need of company to grow and become better which is also displayed in the Odyssey because he starts with a group of men and they slowly die off which can cause issues. Finding comfort in numbers is what can heal a Vet’s mental health, that you can prevent cases of PTSD by keeping a group of people together instead of shuffling them around. For the idea that you should be with the same people during a war builds up a feeling of reliance and safety and helps soldiers to be more mentally stable after war. The Odyssey helped him come up with theses theories because Odysseus’ journey is similar to war and helped him think about the idea of teamwork.
Counseling including the use of "The Odyssey", helps people to connect with the journeys that Odysseus set out on himself. The veterans and PTSD victims from wars can help relate to ancient Greek stories not only because of similarities within journeys but also due the the fact that ancient Greeks also related to the same struggles with war. War connects people from all times because of how mentally damaging it really is. Odysseus is not a perfect hero, and this is something that all veterans from war can relate to.
The Odyssey is more than a just a book, it is a metaphor for what is real and what is not. It shows pain, suffering, victory and adventure which all these Vietnam Vets have experienced. Throughout the book you’re trying to find out if he is a hero or not, which in fighting war you are a hero to some sides and a monster to others. I think that to people Odysseus is either a great accomplished man or a evil villain. Odyssey relates to real life, not so much with the fantasies of cyclops’s and the presence of multiple gods but with the expectations of Odysseus and the actions of all the people he encounters.
While listening to the audio clips, I learned the meaning of The Odyssey to Vietnam soldiers. Dr. Jonathan Shay used the story to counsel the soldiers. As he stated, "....those tales of betrayal by leaders and of guilt and loss among soldiers resonated with the Vietnam veterans." Odysseus wasn't a great leader as displayed which led to teaching other soldiers but also the book had a impact on the them. It made the solders felt a part of a long historical context and how it is okay to get injured in the war. By reading the story, Shay realizes a sense of what is real or fake. The Odyssey was written as a story from a long journey that contains way more than a hardship but a lesson in it as well.
Jonathan Shay discovers that many of the soldiers in Iraq can relate when he tells them stories from The Odyssey because they may have not fought the same thing but have had the same struggles. The struggle to stay alive and make the right choices for not only themselves but for the people around them as well. Odyssey struggles with making the right choices to make sure that his men stay alive. He is a leader to them. Like when he climbs up to the top of the rock to check out the island and figure out what he should lead his people to do next. Or when he made the plan to get away from the cyclops. Again, he had to chose what was best to do for not only him but his men as well.
The Odyssey means a lot to Vietnam veterans. After listening to these audio articles, I better understand how important this story is to some of the veterans who have PTSD. I think that The Odyssey is a very powerful and meaningful book that can help heal those who are hurting. This could relate to Odysseus because after he gets home he could experience some sort of PTSD.
In the audio, Dr. Shay talks about how soldiers from Iraq relate to Odyssey in many ways. He tells about how Odysseus' soldiers are confused and worried during the journey. During chapter 8, Odysseus meets with a king because he is shipwrecked. He is in gracious himself with the citizens. He tells his tales so he can get home. And the soldiers can relate to this by feeling to same way when they are stopped away from home. They describe the soldiers fighting back during war and meeting new people in new places.
After listening to both audios this made me think about the challenging times Veterans go through after war. "The Odyssey" shows veterans and readers a glimpse of what it looks like to fight for ones life. Just like Odysseus the veterans yearn to get home, and when they finally arrive most will suffer with PTSD like Rylee said above.
After hearing about the point of views in “Odyssey,” what I’m thinking now is that he stands out from others because he is more like a leader and it determined to lead his men back home. He kind of reminds me of like a hero “saving” a city of people. This act shows great power and respect toward Odysseus which makes him a main character in the book. In fact, the book was written in order to show his heroism towards his people. Overall, these videos helped me realize just how much of an important person he is.
After listening to these talks I’m thinking a lot about the Odyssey. One of the main things that I am thinking is about the woman’s role in the Odyssey. In most places women are put under men and our seen as not having that important roles in a place. In the Odyssey this seems to be completely different and the woman have lots of power and are in control. I liked this part about the Odyssey because in most things I've watched or read from history the woman or more of the cookers and the cleaners but know in this they aren’t and I'm excited to keep reading this story to see how woman are incorporated. I’m also thinking about this in connection to other things I’ve read. It reminds of Charles Darwin who went to the Galapagos Islands to explore but on his way home it took him 10 years and he had to face many hardships because he got lost and ended up coming home alone. This is somewhat similar since they were both on a journey and had to face hardships to reach their destination. I’m thinking a lot about the Odyssey and am excited to keep reading to learn more.
Psychiatrist Jonathan Shay suggests the idea that though odysseus portrays a godly or heroic figure, he possesses more human qualities than godly qualities. His undoubted necessity to make himself known because of the hubris he possesses causes the death of many of his men. Selfish desires in leadership often lead to the sacrifice of followers into battle. The mindset of the greek warriors in pursuit of Odysseus correlates with Vietnam war veterans of how their PTSD came about after the war. The veterans could have been affected greatly because of a selfish decision a leader made causing them to feel alone relating to Odysseus but also feeling betrayed and helpless like the men of Odysseus. Also the veterans have been through more peril than their fellow citizens back home could even begin to imagine. Odysseus wants to make himself seem more heroic than he actually acted on his journey, as some veterans of the Vietnam war may have wanted to either forget or glorify their survival. Both valid symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder.
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what are you thinking about the The Odyssey? Please specify your thoughts using a dynamic topic sentence and supporting evidence.
I like the Odyssey but it is very hard to understand. it tells us about Odysseus journey throughout time and him getting back to his wife which is amazing that he has survived trough the whole thing by himself. How can the civilians understand what i have been going trough. he decides they cant understand what he has been trough which is cool because we don't know what he went trough but this book tells us.He has to tell his tales and build relationship.
After listening to these two people talk about The Odyssey, I am thinking about how The Odyssey relates to veterans today. Usually when veterans get home, they come back with a mental illness like PTSD, anxiety, or terrors. They also wonder how people will be able to understand what they went through, and continue to remember everyday. This relates to The Odyssey because I predict that at the end of the story, even though Odysseus like to appear confident, he will come home and be fearful of what he experienced, much like our veterans. It also relates through both the veterans and Odysseus both losing people throughout the adventure or battle.
I think that that's very interesting that the war veterans find Odyssey so interesting and that it actually makes them recover from their PTSD. I understand how Odyssey could help the vets because hearing about a hero defeating cyclopses and listening to someone exploring societies would get me enticed and help me feel better. Another good thing about Odyssey is that(so far) there hasn't been any talk about gun or weapons besides swords and stuff that the vets didn't use, which makes it a safe text for the veterans to read.
Jonathan Shay first started reading The Iliad and The Odyssey after he suffered from a stroke. Because it helped calm him, he began reading these books to Vietnam veterans. These veterans felt comforted by the tales of betrayal and Odysseus' adventures and struggles. In Book 8 of The Odyssey, Odysseus weeps at the songs and tales the poet is saying. All of the friends and hard times Odysseus has seen has made him sensitive and easy to freak out.
As I have been listening to the audio, it reminds me of the odyssey and how big of a leader odyesses has to be throughout his journey. Not only that he has to make wise decisions but he needs to keep everyone a unit and together in the journey. His job is to make sure everyone comes back home.
It shows me help how it could be connected to veterans. The ways that it connects to the veterans in a way that speaks to them in reality and fantasy which really speaks to them. The way that he went through the book shows different ways of going through things. Odysseus wants to show other people what he went through. He didn’t think that people who haven’t been through. That is why it helps veterans because they have been through more things that many of have not been through. We don't always listen which frustrates people. The connection is the same between the story and real life in the way that it’s told which is why it connects so easily.
While the true heroism of Odysseus is sometimes not apparent, it's evident he's brave and takes on nearly impossible tasks, revealing how he appeals to ordinary people. The veterans Jonathon Shay speaks to connect with Odysseus in a certain way I assume based on his bravery. Some of his actions aren't justifiable but he accomplishes things many are afraid to attempt. These tales distract the veterans from their terrifying experiences and engage them in something new.
I think that the psychiatrist, Johnathan Shay, talks about the need of company to grow and become better which is also displayed in the Odyssey because he starts with a group of men and they slowly die off which can cause issues. Finding comfort in numbers is what can heal a Vet’s mental health, that you can prevent cases of PTSD by keeping a group of people together instead of shuffling them around. For the idea that you should be with the same people during a war builds up a feeling of reliance and safety and helps soldiers to be more mentally stable after war. The Odyssey helped him come up with theses theories because Odysseus’ journey is similar to war and helped him think about the idea of teamwork.
Counseling including the use of "The Odyssey", helps people to connect with the journeys that Odysseus set out on himself. The veterans and PTSD victims from wars can help relate to ancient Greek stories not only because of similarities within journeys but also due the the fact that ancient Greeks also related to the same struggles with war. War connects people from all times because of how mentally damaging it really is.
Odysseus is not a perfect hero, and this is something that all veterans from war can relate to.
The Odyssey is more than a just a book, it is a metaphor for what is real and what is not. It shows pain, suffering, victory and adventure which all these Vietnam Vets have experienced. Throughout the book you’re trying to find out if he is a hero or not, which in fighting war you are a hero to some sides and a monster to others. I think that to people Odysseus is either a great accomplished man or a evil villain. Odyssey relates to real life, not so much with the fantasies of cyclops’s and the presence of multiple gods but with the expectations of Odysseus and the actions of all the people he encounters.
While listening to the audio clips, I learned the meaning of The Odyssey to Vietnam soldiers. Dr. Jonathan Shay used the story to counsel the soldiers. As he stated, "....those tales of betrayal by leaders and of guilt and loss among soldiers resonated with the Vietnam veterans." Odysseus wasn't a great leader as displayed which led to teaching other soldiers but also the book had a impact on the them. It made the solders felt a part of a long historical context and how it is okay to get injured in the war. By reading the story, Shay realizes a sense of what is real or fake. The Odyssey was written as a story from a long journey that contains way more than a hardship but a lesson in it as well.
Jonathan Shay discovers that many of the soldiers in Iraq can relate when he tells them stories from The Odyssey because they may have not fought the same thing but have had the same struggles. The struggle to stay alive and make the right choices for not only themselves but for the people around them as well. Odyssey struggles with making the right choices to make sure that his men stay alive. He is a leader to them. Like when he climbs up to the top of the rock to check out the island and figure out what he should lead his people to do next. Or when he made the plan to get away from the cyclops. Again, he had to chose what was best to do for not only him but his men as well.
The Odyssey means a lot to Vietnam veterans. After listening to these audio articles, I better understand how important this story is to some of the veterans who have PTSD. I think that The Odyssey is a very powerful and meaningful book that can help heal those who are hurting. This could relate to Odysseus because after he gets home he could experience some sort of PTSD.
In the audio, Dr. Shay talks about how soldiers from Iraq relate to Odyssey in many ways. He tells about how Odysseus' soldiers are confused and worried during the journey. During chapter 8, Odysseus meets with a king because he is shipwrecked. He is in gracious himself with the citizens. He tells his tales so he can get home. And the soldiers can relate to this by feeling to same way when they are stopped away from home. They describe the soldiers fighting back during war and meeting new people in new places.
After listening to both audios this made me think about the challenging times Veterans go through after war. "The Odyssey" shows veterans and readers a glimpse of what it looks like to fight for ones life. Just like Odysseus the veterans yearn to get home, and when they finally arrive most will suffer with PTSD like Rylee said above.
After hearing about the point of views in “Odyssey,” what I’m thinking now is that he stands out from others because he is more like a leader and it determined to lead his men back home. He kind of reminds me of like a hero “saving” a city of people. This act shows great power and respect toward Odysseus which makes him a main character in the book. In fact, the book was written in order to show his heroism towards his people. Overall, these videos helped me realize just how much of an important person he is.
After listening to these talks I’m thinking a lot about the Odyssey. One of the main things that I am thinking is about the woman’s role in the Odyssey. In most places women are put under men and our seen as not having that important roles in a place. In the Odyssey this seems to be completely different and the woman have lots of power and are in control. I liked this part about the Odyssey because in most things I've watched or read from history the woman or more of the cookers and the cleaners but know in this they aren’t and I'm excited to keep reading this story to see how woman are incorporated. I’m also thinking about this in connection to other things I’ve read. It reminds of Charles Darwin who went to the Galapagos Islands to explore but on his way home it took him 10 years and he had to face many hardships because he got lost and ended up coming home alone. This is somewhat similar since they were both on a journey and had to face hardships to reach their destination. I’m thinking a lot about the Odyssey and am excited to keep reading to learn more.
Psychiatrist Jonathan Shay suggests the idea that though odysseus portrays a godly or heroic figure, he possesses more human qualities than godly qualities. His undoubted necessity to make himself known because of the hubris he possesses causes the death of many of his men. Selfish desires in leadership often lead to the sacrifice of followers into battle. The mindset of the greek warriors in pursuit of Odysseus correlates with Vietnam war veterans of how their PTSD came about after the war. The veterans could have been affected greatly because of a selfish decision a leader made causing them to feel alone relating to Odysseus but also feeling betrayed and helpless like the men of Odysseus. Also the veterans have been through more peril than their fellow citizens back home could even begin to imagine. Odysseus wants to make himself seem more heroic than he actually acted on his journey, as some veterans of the Vietnam war may have wanted to either forget or glorify their survival. Both valid symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder.
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