In the Declaration of Independence, freedoms are given to all Americans such as: freedom of speech, press, assembly, etc. In Anthem, the people are said to be equal. They can't not say what they believe or think. They are told what to do, and their future is layed out for them at birth. A dictator is controlling these men as though they are puppets on strings. If a puppet tries to wander away from the string, that puppet won't be in another show. In the Declaration of Independence people are equal. However, in Anthem they only say they are equal.
In the Declaration of Independance, we are encouraged to be who we wish to be. We get to act as ourselves on the inside and out and no one can/ or should hold a grudge against us. We are allowed to wear whatever and we are dared to be independant. In Anthem, they must account for the brotherhood. Equality means that everyone looks and acts the same. You're not allowed to simle out of charge or act against or beyond the brotherhood. You're not allowed to want. The rule appears to be that everyone is not considered equal unless they all act, dress and behave the same. In America, equality is demostrated through rights, not condemned or bound to other people.
Eva explains that a dictator controls the people, but it is a council who decides who does what; so you can't call the government a dictatorship because they are controled by the council. Like she said, they are like pupets. In a scense, it seems that everyones moves are laid out to the finest detail at birth. So, does that mean that Equality's ideas of change was laid out to him at birth? Was he a "chosen one" that someone chose? In the book, Equality recals a part where a man is being burned at the stake. He also called him a saint and looked at him when he was ablaze. Was he a God or a higher power than the Council? Does that also make Liberty a "Chosen One"? It kind of relates to the story of Mary and Joseph. They were chosen to give birth and raise Jesus. Were Equality and Liberty chosen to direct the Brotherhood in a different direction?
The declaration of Independence is a thoughtful document written by intelligent leaders for the good of American citizens. It gives freedom to be ourselves, freedom to express ourselves, and freedom to be ourselves, whereas in Anthem the main goal of the council is to make everyone equal. And they don't really care how the citizens or people feel about this. In the Declaration of Independence, equality means treating everyone the same, at the same time practicing your rights and being able to be FREE, but in Anthem in order to be equal, you have to give up your individuality and your personality.
Elizabeth Geise says that in the Declaration of Independence, we have freedoms to be "who we wish to be" and we can do whatever we want to do, and i completely agree with this. Although the Declaration of Independence mentions equality and how everyone should treat everyone equally, we still have our individual rights. but i am confused on what she is trying to say when she says if equality and liberty are the "chosen one"? i mean there is already human beings on the earth, so they cant be the ones to build a new world. i am just confused about that, but other than my coufusion, great response!
Anthem and The Declaration of Independence at first dont seem to go together, but really do collide into each other. The Declaration of Independence is our plea for freedom and in this case, individualality. Everyone deserves, and has the right to those two factors, but in the book,Anthem,they are mere wishes of the people. The Anthem is allegedly to make people equal..but it seems to be still segregating people, except for those who are sonsidered "higher" than the rest. This is unfair and a mark against how the world and people's rights should work. Everyone is equal, and that is that. Meaning people should't judge or treat others differently because of something they cannot help.
Sweta said that the people have no say or right put into how the council controls things. It's almost as if the people are like mimes and are on mute, unable to share feelings and are only able to express things through action, sometimes drastic ation. Sweta also mentioned that The Declaration of Independence was written by intelligent people. Could this mean that the People in Anthem were uncapable of being smart and intelligent? Maybe even fair to the people? My answer to this is no. I believe the council was in for the power that they would get and possibly even the greed.
In Anthem, the people are pretty much controlled by some powerful person. They have no freedom of speech, and they don't know how to speak for themselves. They are equal, but in a different way than the equality of the Declaration of Independence. In the Declaration, it states freedoms that make us equal in that way, but in Anthem, the people are forced to be equal in every way, so there is no difference between two individuals. If one person is smarter than another, they are considered "unacceptable". Both Anthem and the Declaration of Independence demonstrate equality, but Anthem demonstrates it in an extreme way.
Bailey said that the people in Anthem are sort of segregated and they can only wish to have individuality and freedom in life. I didn't even think of that, but it is very true and I completely agree with that statement. Either everyone is equal or not equal. The people in Anthem can't change the fact that they live in a society that won't allow differences, and everything is set and done.
The Declaration of Independence and Anthem, as Bailey says, collide. In anthem, the World Council decides what you do, your job, living style, and everything else that has to do with your family. In the Declaration of Independence, we are told to be "One nation under God." But, when we are told to be one nation under God this does not mean that we are to all be the same and always supposed to be the way that everyone else expects us to be.
I really agree with what Sarah said. In Anthem, they take being an individual to the extreme. If someone acts, looks, or even thinks different than anyone else, they are looked down on. But in the Declaration of Independence, we are told that we have freedoms, and that is what is to make us all seems equal. We all have decisions on the way that we live and we are not told that we have to change to be a totally different person unless we choose that.
In the Declaration of Independence, it states that Americans have the freedom to do a lot of things, but I do not think that it makes everyone equal. Even though people have all these freedoms, they are not equal. People of different religions or race, have not and still aren't treated equally. In Anthem, the World Council might focus on how everyone in the city should be equal but it turns out that the people are really just stripped of individuality and have almost no freedom at all.
I agree with Kate that we do not have to all be the same and that in Anthem the World Council pushes their city to being exactly the same. I also agree that in Anthem the people get no freedom but the Declaration Of Independence gives us a lot of freedom and lets all Americans be individuals.
Well Equality's society is to act as one. To act, think, and be the same person, yet they have higher people such as the World Council. Is that being the same? I don't think so. However in the Declaration of Independence we are allowed to be who and what we want. We are truely free.
In the Declaration of Indiependence we are granted many frredoms, the freedom of speech, and religion being two. But it Egualitys world the council decides what you are to do with your life how you are to think and act and how you are all suppost to be as one. To me this is not freedom this is a dictatorship full of lies and deciet. No man should tell you what to think or how you should act. No one should have this control over you. Thats why the Declaration of Independence tries to help keep all men equal so each man can pursue their own goals and dreams for their life.
I agree with Amanda when she says that the council controled everything so really all men were not the same there was still a higher power over the brothers. So how could they have said that all men were to think and act the same except for them?! thats not equal or fair at all.
Though the Declaration of Independence may have stated that, "We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal," it certainly doesn't mean everyone in America has equal opportunities. It also doesn't mean everyone is equal on an anatomical level. The idea of equality in this phrase is the idea that all men should be given equal rights and liberties. People often mistake this kind of equality with equality of opportunity. Because of the discrimination against social status, race, religion, sexual orientation, health, and more, everyone cannot have the same opportunity as one another.
Perfect equality, where everyone equal in capability, opportunity, and anatomy, was desired by the Council in Anthem. Obviously this equality cannot be achieved due to each person's unique body, personality, and features. The attempt of the society to establish perfect equality led to the rebellion of its own members. This perfect equality hadn't even been achieved before it failed. People looked differently, thought differently, did things differently. To have perfect equality the acts and thoughts of one must be the acts and thoughts of all which is literally impossible. The only things this attempt achieved were unrest and a facade of obedience.
The difference in interpretation of equality separates America from the society in Anthem.
In response to Liz's question about Equality and Liberty being "chosen" to lead the brotherhood out of ignorance; I would have to say that they were not. I have come to this conclusion for several different reasons. First, the power to choose someone's future omnisciently is not a power men have; therefore, the Council could not have chosen Equality and Liberty to lead the people into a new society. The story is realistic fiction with men who have realistic limits, so no character can have powers beyond those of real men. Also, if men did have the power to choose the fate of a man, I doubt the stringent society would use that power to choose people to rebel against them. That choice would go against all of their beliefs. Rebellion is an act against equality, so the likelihood of the society choosing people to defy them is very low, yet still probable. Another reason is that the choice of someone's fate is only a power gods or higher powers have. Ayn Rand is an atheist, so I doubt she would write about a god or higher power choosing the futures of the main characters. Also, religion isn't mentioned once throughout the book, therefore it would be unlikely that it would suddenly pertain to the plot. Yet another reason is that the story is fictional and the characters are fictional, so any amount of religion not described in the book does not apply. However, Liz makes a good point that Mary and Joseph were chosen by God to raise Jesus. Yet if we think about this in a completely nonreligious view, we can see that Mary and Joseph were not chosen by men (because that's impossible), but by God, the higher power previously mentioned in the story, therefore it applies. If we think of this in a religious aspect, the difference between the story of Equality and Liberty and of Mary and Joseph is that one is fictional and the other is not.
I don't mean this to be rude in any way, shape or form. I am merely responding with my own opinions to questions previously posted.
In the Declaration of Independence, it is stated that we are all equal. This equality is different from the equality in Anthem however. In the Declaration, we are all equal in a way that no person is less important and we all have the same rights as one another. This is not stating that we all do the same things and are controlled. In Anthem, the people are controlled by the council. They all do the same thing every day. They all have the same laws to follow by. There equality is more controlled.
I agree with Ashley about equality meaning something different in The Declaration of Indepedence and Anthem.
The Declaration of Independence explains the United States freedoms, which forms our society. In the book "Anthem" Equality struggles with the issue of not having freedoms like Americans do because the society Equality is living in does not have a document that is like the Declaration of Independence.
Sweta said that in America people are equal. But in America people have individuality instead of equally and that is truly what makes America so special. Not having individuality was what Equality struggled with in the book until he ran away and became an individual.
The Declaration of Independence stated that we are all equal, in the City that is not true at all. The City council is the brain and of the others are a whole with no say, no equality. Equality is controlled along with the others, they just live under rule. Living under rule unlike us, they cannot express how this is terrible. The City does not follow any equal rules they fell as if they are the best.
Amanda wrote that the people are controlled and do the same things daily. I agree with her the people just have to go along with it or it would be a sin to be or act of something that you are not.
The Declaration of Independence sais we are all equal, and we all have the same rights and yada yada. This is acually caried out in the United States. In Anthem it states everyone is equall, but this is deffinetly not true. They are given unequall chances and opertunities in life.
In the Declaration of Independence equality is the idea the everyone is equal, meaning the basic rights are given to each and every person. For example, the freedom of speech, religion, etc. However, the idea of equality has a much different view in Anthem. Equality is the idea that each person has to do the exact same thing in life. No one has special privlidges over another. If you have a special gift or talent like Equality 7-2521, you were considered evil. Equality 7-2521 was smarter then most of the individuals in his society. Therefore, everyone put him down.
I agree with Amanda that people living in Anthem have less control of their lives. Their life is set in stone ahead of time.
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I agree with tinyturtle.
The people in Anthem were not given an equal shot at life which is truly unfair.
In the Declaration of Independence there are rihgts given to us that Equality fights for. Rights that are give to us althought they have one right that is right which is the equality which is really absolutly nothing if you think about it in a big picture the fact that we have the rights to speak up agaisnt our goverment and the right to protest is way more than what Equality had and he realizing this decided to fight for it.
Our rights and equalities writes are very different. We have the right to be who we want to be and basically do what we want to do. We have the right to also speak up to our government and to also voice our own opinion. Equality does not have these rights. They all have to be the same and do the same thing. one can be no smarter than the other. which leads his world to a plain boring world. but in the end equality discovers what hes missing out on and starts to stand up for what he wants. which in my opinion is very good.
In the Declaration of Independance, rights are given to people to create a better union. in Anthem, the people are not really given rights to be an individutal, but instead are made to beleive that everyone is equal. they are not to express emotions or how they believe in curtain situations. in the declaraion of independance, everyone is still represented as being equal, but within short means. we have freedom to be an individual, when anthem is only a unit and everyone is the same.
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In the Declaration of Independence, freedoms are given to all Americans such as: freedom of speech, press, assembly, etc. In Anthem, the people are said to be equal. They can't not say what they believe or think. They are told what to do, and their future is layed out for them at birth. A dictator is controlling these men as though they are puppets on strings. If a puppet tries to wander away from the string, that puppet won't be in another show. In the Declaration of Independence people are equal. However, in Anthem they only say they are equal.
Eva H.
In the Declaration of Independance, we are encouraged to be who we wish to be. We get to act as ourselves on the inside and out and no one can/ or should hold a grudge against us. We are allowed to wear whatever and we are dared to be independant. In Anthem, they must account for the brotherhood. Equality means that everyone looks and acts the same. You're not allowed to simle out of charge or act against or beyond the brotherhood. You're not allowed to want. The rule appears to be that everyone is not considered equal unless they all act, dress and behave the same. In America, equality is demostrated through rights, not condemned or bound to other people.
Eva explains that a dictator controls the people, but it is a council who decides who does what; so you can't call the government a dictatorship because they are controled by the council. Like she said, they are like pupets. In a scense, it seems that everyones moves are laid out to the finest detail at birth. So, does that mean that Equality's ideas of change was laid out to him at birth? Was he a "chosen one" that someone chose? In the book, Equality recals a part where a man is being burned at the stake. He also called him a saint and looked at him when he was ablaze. Was he a God or a higher power than the Council? Does that also make Liberty a "Chosen One"? It kind of relates to the story of Mary and Joseph. They were chosen to give birth and raise Jesus. Were Equality and Liberty chosen to direct the Brotherhood in a different direction?
Liz G.
The declaration of Independence is a thoughtful document written by intelligent leaders for the good of American citizens. It gives freedom to be ourselves, freedom to express ourselves, and freedom to be ourselves, whereas in Anthem the main goal of the council is to make everyone equal. And they don't really care how the citizens or people feel about this. In the Declaration of Independence, equality means treating everyone the same, at the same time practicing your rights and being able to be FREE, but in Anthem in order to be equal, you have to give up your individuality and your personality.
Elizabeth Geise says that in the Declaration of Independence, we have freedoms to be "who we wish to be" and we can do whatever we want to do, and i completely agree with this. Although the Declaration of Independence mentions equality and how everyone should treat everyone equally, we still have our individual rights. but i am confused on what she is trying to say when she says if equality and liberty are the "chosen one"? i mean there is already human beings on the earth, so they cant be the ones to build a new world. i am just confused about that, but other than my coufusion, great response!
Anthem and The Declaration of Independence at first dont seem to go together, but really do collide into each other. The Declaration of Independence is our plea for freedom and in this case, individualality. Everyone deserves, and has the right to those two factors, but in the book,Anthem,they are mere wishes of the people. The Anthem is allegedly to make people equal..but it seems to be still segregating people, except for those who are sonsidered "higher" than the rest. This is unfair and a mark against how the world and people's rights should work. Everyone is equal, and that is that. Meaning people should't judge or treat others differently because of something they cannot help.
Sweta said that the people have no say or right put into how the council controls things. It's almost as if the people are like mimes and are on mute, unable to share feelings and are only able to express things through action, sometimes drastic ation. Sweta also mentioned that The Declaration of Independence was written by intelligent people. Could this mean that the People in Anthem were uncapable of being smart and intelligent? Maybe even fair to the people? My answer to this is no. I believe the council was in for the power that they would get and possibly even the greed.
whoops. that last comment was mine.. sorry..
Bailey G.
In Anthem, the people are pretty much controlled by some powerful person. They have no freedom of speech, and they don't know how to speak for themselves. They are equal, but in a different way than the equality of the Declaration of Independence. In the Declaration, it states freedoms that make us equal in that way, but in Anthem, the people are forced to be equal in every way, so there is no difference between two individuals. If one person is smarter than another, they are considered "unacceptable". Both Anthem and the Declaration of Independence demonstrate equality, but Anthem demonstrates it in an extreme way.
Bailey said that the people in Anthem are sort of segregated and they can only wish to have individuality and freedom in life. I didn't even think of that, but it is very true and I completely agree with that statement. Either everyone is equal or not equal. The people in Anthem can't change the fact that they live in a society that won't allow differences, and everything is set and done.
Sarah P.
The Declaration of Independence and Anthem, as Bailey says, collide. In anthem, the World Council decides what you do, your job, living style, and everything else that has to do with your family. In the Declaration of Independence, we are told to be "One nation under God." But, when we are told to be one nation under God this does not mean that we are to all be the same and always supposed to be the way that everyone else expects us to be.
I really agree with what Sarah said. In Anthem, they take being an individual to the extreme. If someone acts, looks, or even thinks different than anyone else, they are looked down on. But in the Declaration of Independence, we are told that we have freedoms, and that is what is to make us all seems equal. We all have decisions on the way that we live and we are not told that we have to change to be a totally different person unless we choose that.
In the Declaration of Independence, it states that Americans have the freedom to do a lot of things, but I do not think that it makes everyone equal. Even though people have all these freedoms, they are not equal. People of different religions or race, have not and still aren't treated equally. In Anthem, the World Council might focus on how everyone in the city should be equal but it turns out that the people are really just stripped of individuality and have almost no freedom at all.
I agree with Kate that we do not have to all be the same and that in Anthem the World Council pushes their city to being exactly the same. I also agree that in Anthem the people get no freedom but the Declaration Of Independence gives us a lot of freedom and lets all Americans be individuals.
Well Equality's society is to act as one. To act, think, and be the same person, yet they have higher people such as the World Council. Is that being the same? I don't think so. However in the Declaration of Independence we are allowed to be who and what we want. We are truely free.
Amanda B.
I agree with Eva because she sees the complete difference in Anthem and The Declaration Of Independence.
In the Declaration of Indiependence we are granted many frredoms, the freedom of speech, and religion being two. But it Egualitys world the council decides what you are to do with your life how you are to think and act and how you are all suppost to be as one. To me this is not freedom this is a dictatorship full of lies and deciet. No man should tell you what to think or how you should act. No one should have this control over you. Thats why the Declaration of Independence tries to help keep all men equal so each man can pursue their own goals and dreams for their life.
I agree with Amanda when she says that the council controled everything so really all men were not the same there was still a higher power over the brothers. So how could they have said that all men were to think and act the same except for them?! thats not equal or fair at all.
Though the Declaration of Independence may have stated that, "We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal," it certainly doesn't mean everyone in America has equal opportunities. It also doesn't mean everyone is equal on an anatomical level. The idea of equality in this phrase is the idea that all men should be given equal rights and liberties. People often mistake this kind of equality with equality of opportunity. Because of the discrimination against social status, race, religion, sexual orientation, health, and more, everyone cannot have the same opportunity as one another.
Perfect equality, where everyone equal in capability, opportunity, and anatomy, was desired by the Council in Anthem. Obviously this equality cannot be achieved due to each person's unique body, personality, and features. The attempt of the society to establish perfect equality led to the rebellion of its own members. This perfect equality hadn't even been achieved before it failed. People looked differently, thought differently, did things differently. To have perfect equality the acts and thoughts of one must be the acts and thoughts of all which is literally impossible. The only things this attempt achieved were unrest and a facade of obedience.
The difference in interpretation of equality separates America from the society in Anthem.
In response to Liz's question about Equality and Liberty being "chosen" to lead the brotherhood out of ignorance; I would have to say that they were not. I have come to this conclusion for several different reasons. First, the power to choose someone's future omnisciently is not a power men have; therefore, the Council could not have chosen Equality and Liberty to lead the people into a new society. The story is realistic fiction with men who have realistic limits, so no character can have powers beyond those of real men. Also, if men did have the power to choose the fate of a man, I doubt the stringent society would use that power to choose people to rebel against them. That choice would go against all of their beliefs. Rebellion is an act against equality, so the likelihood of the society choosing people to defy them is very low, yet still probable. Another reason is that the choice of someone's fate is only a power gods or higher powers have. Ayn Rand is an atheist, so I doubt she would write about a god or higher power choosing the futures of the main characters. Also, religion isn't mentioned once throughout the book, therefore it would be unlikely that it would suddenly pertain to the plot. Yet another reason is that the story is fictional and the characters are fictional, so any amount of religion not described in the book does not apply. However, Liz makes a good point that Mary and Joseph were chosen by God to raise Jesus. Yet if we think about this in a completely nonreligious view, we can see that Mary and Joseph were not chosen by men (because that's impossible), but by God, the higher power previously mentioned in the story, therefore it applies. If we think of this in a religious aspect, the difference between the story of Equality and Liberty and of Mary and Joseph is that one is fictional and the other is not.
I don't mean this to be rude in any way, shape or form. I am merely responding with my own opinions to questions previously posted.
In the Declaration of Independence, it is stated that we are all equal. This equality is different from the equality in Anthem however. In the Declaration, we are all equal in a way that no person is less important and we all have the same rights as one another. This is not stating that we all do the same things and are controlled. In Anthem, the people are controlled by the council. They all do the same thing every day. They all have the same laws to follow by. There equality is more controlled.
I agree with Ashley about equality meaning something different in The Declaration of Indepedence and Anthem.
The Declaration of Independence explains the United States freedoms, which forms our society. In the book "Anthem" Equality struggles with the issue of not having freedoms like Americans do because the society Equality is living in does not have a document that is like the Declaration of Independence.
Sweta said that in America people are equal. But in America people have individuality instead of equally and that is truly what makes America so special. Not having individuality was what Equality struggled with in the book until he ran away and became an individual.
The Declaration of Independence stated that we are all equal, in the City that is not true at all. The City council is the brain and of the others are a whole with no say, no equality. Equality is controlled along with the others, they just live under rule. Living under rule unlike us, they cannot express how this is terrible. The City does not follow any equal rules they fell as if they are the best.
Amanda wrote that the people are controlled and do the same things daily. I agree with her the people just have to go along with it or it would be a sin to be or act of something that you are not.
Tiffany F.
The Declaration of Independence sais we are all equal, and we all have the same rights and yada yada. This is acually caried out in the United States. In Anthem it states everyone is equall, but this is deffinetly not true. They are given unequall chances and opertunities in life.
In the Declaration of Independence equality is the idea the everyone is equal, meaning the basic rights are given to each and every person. For example, the freedom of speech, religion, etc. However, the idea of equality has a much different view in Anthem. Equality is the idea that each person has to do the exact same thing in life. No one has special privlidges over another. If you have a special gift or talent like Equality 7-2521, you were considered evil. Equality 7-2521 was smarter then most of the individuals in his society. Therefore, everyone put him down.
I agree with Amanda that people living in Anthem have less control of their lives. Their life is set in stone ahead of time.
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I agree with tinyturtle.
The people in Anthem were not given an equal shot at life which is truly unfair.
In the Declaration of Independence there are rihgts given to us that Equality fights for. Rights that are give to us althought they have one right that is right which is the equality which is really absolutly nothing if you think about it in a big picture the fact that we have the rights to speak up agaisnt our goverment and the right to protest is way more than what Equality had and he realizing this decided to fight for it.
kena.
Our rights and equalities writes are very different. We have the right to be who we want to be and basically do what we want to do. We have the right to also speak up to our government and to also voice our own opinion. Equality does not have these rights. They all have to be the same and do the same thing. one can be no smarter than the other. which leads his world to a plain boring world. but in the end equality discovers what hes missing out on and starts to stand up for what he wants. which in my opinion is very good.
~Ciara S.
In the Declaration of Independance, rights are given to people to create a better union. in Anthem, the people are not really given rights to be an individutal, but instead are made to beleive that everyone is equal. they are not to express emotions or how they believe in curtain situations. in the declaraion of independance, everyone is still represented as being equal, but within short means. we have freedom to be an individual, when anthem is only a unit and everyone is the same.
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